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https://doi.org/10.5194/wcd-4-1019-2023
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Examining the dynamics of a Borneo vortex using a balance approximation tool
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The paper reports on a case study of Borneo vortex that affected Vietnam and Thailand. Simulations of the vortex with the UM are analysed conventionally and with a semi-geotriptic code. This code is used to partition the vertical motion into that forced by latent heating, geostrophic forcing and friction. The study concludes that the case examined comprised a mid-level diabatic Rossby wave and presumably a Rossby edge wave on the lower boundary, part of which developed into the Borneo vortex. These counter-propagating Rossby waves temporarily affected each other, but did not phase lock. The conclusions are supported very nicely with some idealised theory for diabatic Rossby waves.
I enjoyed reading the paper and recommend that it is accepted. The paper makes a strong contribution to the field. In my view, the insights from the semi-geotriptic code and the application of some diabatic Rossby wave theory are the most novel and important contributions. I have only one major comment, but quite a few minor comments.
Major comment
The semi-geotriptic tools is an important part of the study and appears to be very effective. Although the basic idea of making a semi-geostophic and Ekman balance approximation is qualitatively easy to imagine the details are not. Given the theory is not well known, the code not widely used, and the semi-geotriptic tool of central importance to the paper, I feel the paper requires a clearer, expanded summary of the semi-geotriptic tool.
Minor comments
Line 8. “comprised of” should be “comprises”.
Line 13. Should be “… is in quadrature …”.
Line 121. “… with reduced air-sea drag at high wind speeds.” What’s the point you’re making here? It sounds like this is change would be of real significance to tropical vortices. Expand.
Line 128. Perhaps spell out explicitly what the geostrophic momentum approximation is (advection by the full wind but the advected momentum approximated by its geostrophic value.) This approximation is familiar to those working in the midlatitudes, but possibly not so familiar to tropical researchers.
Line 135. This sentence is a bit cryptic. Explain exactly what you mean by “… can be deduced from the pressure field using the notion of “balanced dynamics”. The details matter.
Line 145. Sentence structure problem. “… , with geostrophic and diabatic forcing.” What about the geostrophic and diabatic forcing?
Line 149. What’s the “convexity condition”? Is the condition that the equation is elliptic? Is it related to the sign of the PV as in midlatitude semigeostrophic theory? Spell out what you mean.
Line 149-150. “This discrepancy is particularly the case near the equator. Therefore, the data passed to the SGT tool has reduced horizontal resolution.” Why “therefore”? How does the second sentence follow from the first?
Line 159. What’s the difference between the “full meridional wind” and the “total meridional wind”? How are they defined? This is an example of where the SGT tool is not sufficiently well explained for the reader to comfortably follow the arguments in the paper.
Line 165. “… the SGT tool mostly captures the large-scale flow …”. “Mostly” is a bit subjective. Could you make this statement more quantitative? Perhaps calculate the pattern correlation or something similar.
Line 171. What is the “unbalanced residual”? It isn’t defined. I can probably guess, but it needs to be clearly defined. This is another example of the SGT tool not being properly explained. I don’t think the reader should have to shift though the original paper to find these definitions.
Line 172. True, the SGT tool partitions the flow into a diabatic part and a geostrophic forcing, but there’s no assessment of how accurate or meaningful the association with diabatic and geostrophic forcing is. So, I’m unconvinced by the statement “Figure 2 demonstrates the ability of the SGT tool to partition the 3D ageostrophic flow …”.
Figure 3. Define the white circle in the figure caption.
Figure 3. It appears to me the only one panel is needed. What do the other two panels really add to the story?
Figures 4 and 5. Mark the vortex center on these plots.
Figures 4 and 5. There are 8 panels in total, which seems too many to me given we don’t learn much from them. We learn only that the vortex propagates to the west (which we learn again in Figs. 7-9) and that the N768 MetUM accumulated rain field is too smooth. I’d delete one of these figures.
Lines 233-234. Either expand on these recent developments or delete the sentence. As it is now the sentence doesn’t convey much.
Figures 7 – 9, panel b. Why plot potential temperature? It isn’t referenced anywhere in the text.
Line 254. Grammatical error: “comprised of”.
Line 276. Why is it important that the “moist stability gradient occurs with the region of large-scale vertical shear”?
Line 279 – 28 . Panels 11a (diabatic heating in the global MetUM) and 11b (w from the MetUM diagnosed with the SGT tool) are similar. Then the paper says that this “shows that the region of ascent identified by the SGT tool are representative of the flow in the MetUM”. I don’t understand what’s meant here by “are representative of the flow”. Wouldn’t this claim require you to compare w from the MetUM against that diagnosed with the SGT tool, which is Fig. 11b?
Lines 291 – 292. “The wave is large amplitude in the sense that it is obvious in the velocity vectors of the full flow”. I don’t think you can simply claim that it’s obvious – it needs some quantification. What makes it obviously large amplitude?
Figure 12. Point out that panels c and d are the same as Figs. 1a and 1b.
Lines 295 – 296. The shift is very slight. Is it more than a grid space or two? Some how significant is this shift really?
Line 304. “Also” and “too” mean the same thing. Delete one.
Line 307. Expression problem: “… this choice … is chosen …”.
Line 328. “oth” should presumably be “both”.
Lines 336 – 338. Punctuation problems that affect the meaning. Insert comma after first “that”. Insert comma after “precisely”. Delete second “that”. Insert comma after “flow”.
Lines 364 and 485. What does “home-base” mean exactly? Don’t make the reader wade through the references.
Lines 416 – 417. The effects of gradients in the basic state PV have been omitted in the calculation of the phase speeds. I think there needs to be some assessment of the plausible size of these terms and how their omission affects the calculation. These are potentially large terms.
Line 458. ‘… varies more quickly in the vertical than vertical velocity does at some “moist stability interface” … ‘. What exactly does this mean? What is the mathematical expression? And why is the moist stability interface in quotes? What additional idea are you trying to convey?
Line 462. “ … where G … schematically represents …”. What does “schematically represents” mean, especially in the context of a mathematical expression?
Lines 483 and 484. The notation c_1^2 is a bit misleading as the 2 doesn’t mean the phase speed is squared. Perhaps c_12 would be better. Likewise, c_21 might be better than c_2^1.