Articles | Volume 5, issue 3
https://doi.org/10.5194/wcd-5-943-2024
© Author(s) 2024. This work is distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
Could an extremely cold central European winter such as 1963 happen again despite climate change?
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- Final revised paper (published on 24 Jul 2024)
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AR by Sebastian Sippel on behalf of the Authors (28 Mar 2024)
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ED: Publish subject to technical corrections (27 May 2024) by Camille Li
AR by Sebastian Sippel on behalf of the Authors (05 Jun 2024)
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This study has investigated the likelihood of a re-occurrence of the extremely cold European winter of 1963 under present climate conditions and what such a winter would look like. To investigate this, the authors employ a range of techniques, some involve accounting for the dynamical features which gave rise to the extremely cold winter, while others are standard statistical methods, e.g. extreme value analysis. All the methods gave approximately similar answers, that such an event could occur today but is less likely, and if it did occur, the temperatures would be approximately 1.5 degrees warmer than the original 1963 event.
The paper provides a clear and thorough assessment of the theoretical occurrence of the 1963 winter under today’s climate. It is an interesting study, and would have been more interesting if they had found that the winter could not occur today. However, since the conclusion is that an extremely cold winter from the past is less likely to occur and would be warmer if it did occur under today’s warmer climate is not especially groundbreaking. The paper does raise the issue of mal-adaption by society towards warmer winters, and I think this is very valuable. I also think the comparison of the methods will be of interest to the community. Overall, I would recommend the paper be published with minor revisions.
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Minor Issues
24: You use the expression “led to”. This suggests some precession in time, that the pressure anomalies occurred and then afterwards, there was a negative NAO anomaly. Perhaps change to “resulted in” or “comprised”.
65-90: The dynamical adjustment method. Is it reasonable to separate the dynamic and thermodynamic influences on surface temperature in such a linear way? Consider adding a sentence or two discussing the caveats or limitations of this assumption/approach.
78: “The first dynamical adjustment approach (dark blue line in Fig. 1) uses ERA5 to train the regression model, and the spatial pattern of sea level pressure (SLP) over a circulation domain over Europe and the North Atlantic.” Possibly it is just my reading of the sentence, but it feels a little awkward. The ‘and’ feels like it is part of the regression statement. Consider changing this to “along with”.
82: Start a new paragraph at “We use a second method…” It provides a cleaning break when reading. Possibly change to “We also use a second…”
169-183: Please revise the structure of this paragraph. It jumps straight into what the method leads to and only describes the method itself towards the end of the paragraph. I suspect this is one of those cases where the author is so familiar with the method, he forgets that the reader may not understand what he is talking about from the beginning.
174-181: Please explain in the paragraph why you use the single coldest winter in December for the first boosting, but two coldest Januarys for the second boosting.
176: Please write the dates out in full. Using “01.12 to 15.12” could be written as “1st to 15th December”.
180: Again, write the dates out in full.
219: Remove the double brackets.
245: The return period of the 1963 event was 119 years. For such an event to occur today, the return period would be 371 years. However, the uncertainty for the occurrence today is 97 to 7680 years. That is to say, the return period of the event today may still be 119 years at the 95% level. This should be commented on.
251-252: “This indicates, incidentally, that the storyline approach is not providing larger effects of climate change compared to the probabilistic approach, or possibly exaggerating these effect.” This sentence is confusing. Does this mean the storyline approach is ‘not providing larger effects’ or is exaggerating effects (i.e. to make larger)? These seems to suggest storyline approach either does’t make the effects larger or it does make them larger. Please rephrase the sentence.
259: This is a good point about mal-adaptation. I think it is a shame that this only now appears in the paper and wasn’t raised in the introduction.
270: Change “similarly” to “similar”.
Figure 2: Subplot a needs a grey line in the legend to explain what the grey lines are, and caption could explain how they relate to the blue line. You said (d) shows difference between (c) and (d), think you meant (b) and (c).
Figure 3: This figure needs a lot more explanation in the caption. Possibly, this could be done in part in the paragraph on lines 239-260 where the figure is discussed. Instead of simply making a statement and referencing (Fig.3), instead reference (Fig.3a red line). This would make it easier for the reader to connect the point your are discussing with the specific feature in Figure 3.
Figure 6. This needs more explanation in the caption.