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https://doi.org/10.5194/wcd-6-1875-2025
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Summer Greenland Blocking in reanalysis and in SEAS5.1 seasonal forecasts: robust trend or natural variability?
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Review of “Summer Greenland Blocking in observations and in SEAS5.1 seasonal forecasts: robust trend or natural variability?” by Beckmann et al.
Summary: This manuscript compares Greenland blocking in ERA5 and the ECMWF seasonal forecast model SEAS5.1. Causal networks and causal inference are used to compare blocking dynamics, as hypothesized by Preece et al 2023, between ERA5 and SEAS5.1. They determine that the effect of North American snowmelt is lacking in the seasonal forecast model, and suggest this could also be missing from climate models, and suggest this as a reason for the inability of climate models to capture the recent high GB period.
I think the use of seasonal forecast models to understand natural variability is interesting, and the causal networks are a nice application here. I particularly like the break down of blocking in to northern and southern components. However, there are some flaws with the manuscript and I have a few issues I’d like addressed before this manuscript is ready for publication
Major comments
1. Observations and reanalysis are repeatedly conflated in the paper. Reanalysis is still a model-derived product, and its snow cover is biased (e.g. Mudryk et al 2015,Mortimer et al 2020) when comparing to in-situ and observation-derived gridded products. This makes me wonder how dependent the results in this paper are on the use of ERA5 as ‘observations’, and I’d recommend first that the authors are more careful about their use of the word observations, and second that some discussion around how ERA5’s biases could be impacting the results. I also wonder whether other reanalysis products would be able to reproduce the same causality? Or whether a different metric for GB would yield similar results, both for causality and for how unusual the reanalysis trend is. I wonder as well where there is a state-dependence and how that might come in to play, for example a non-linearity when future snow cover over North America is much lower on average?
2. Despite the title, quite a lot more time is spent on the idea that there is a forced positive trend in GB, driven by the Preece et al 2023 mechanism, rather than the idea that natural variability (in particular anything other than the AMV), or even a forced increase in variability, has caused the trend in reanalysis. Evidence from CMIP6 is that the forced trend is negative with a lot of variability super-imposed, and so even if the Preece et al 2023 mechanism is correct and is missing from models, it’s not obvious to me that that means the models are wrong in the direction of their trend. Perhaps the forced trend for GB is not driven from the pole, but rather from the lower latitudes (on balance) and that’s the source of the decline in future GB? I do agree, however, that a missing mechanism that increases GB variability on an interannual timescales could still be important for future Greenland melt, and I do think that the results here are useful science, I’m just not sure about the way it has been framed.
3. The intro and the conclusions are both long and meandering at times between forcing of GB between the tropics, midlatitudes and poles, and between climate models and observations. Please consider re-writing to make it clearer.
4. I don’t think using T2m-Arctic as an indicator for Arctic amplification is sufficient. A difference between the Arctic and some mid-latitude band would probably be better, as a year with high T2m Arctic could also have high temperatures in general, i.e. T2m Arctic is highly correlated with T2m global. In general, I think the term Arctic amplification is used when the authors intend to say Arctic warming, so I’d recommend more careful wording.
Minor comments
L143: Is the mean of each month for the entire period removed from that month? Following sentence is obvious and need not be included.
L150 Why isn’t April one of the initialisations for SEAS5.1?
L155: Everything after ‘Liner correlation should be moved to the section 2.2
Figure 2: It’s interesting that there’s a reversal in the positions of ERA-40 and ERA-81 in terms of their percentile between GBI and GGI. The red lines do not look to be correlated in (c) and (d), as in Figure 1(c). Is there is a mistake in the plot or in the caption? Why is GHGS and GHGN written on panels (c) & (d)?
Figure 3: I wonder if a difference plot of (b)-(a) would be helpful for visualising where ERA5 and SEAS5.1 differ
Figure 4: (j) It’s interesting that all the members are so tightly constrained for Snow-Nam compared to other fields, and I wonder why that might be, and if its showing a related issues, whereby the seasonal model is not simulating variability in snow cover properly?
Paragraph L 396: non-significant correlations can’t support a relationship, the only thing that’s been shown there is that Arctic temp and GB are correlated.
L429: Why does a seasonal forecast model have lower signal-to-noise ratios?
Technical comments:
There are quite a few typos, missing words, and instances of poor grammar throughout the paper. I will highlight a few examples here but there are far too many and I would recommend a more thorough edit and grammar check before re-submission.
L15 incorrect use of colon
L21 climate runs -> climate model runs
L29 ice melt -> ice sheet melt
L100 of representing blocking -> to represent blocking
L115 casual -> causal
L162 their identification -> its identification
L174 I think the use of ‘condition’ isn’t the correct word, as those are the three equations after L180, what is here is a definition.
L225 Need to define s.d.
Section 2.3 doesn’t need its own subsection
L251 yearly – seasonal
L253 variability -> spatial variability
Figure 2 has (a) & (b) have (9095) squished together.
L339-340: ‘above its own 1 s.d.’ is awkward wordings
L279 & elsewhere: running mean -> running mean trend.
L 475 ‘higher’ -> lower? As the sign is negative? Same with snow anomalies below
L509: keep -> keeping
L530 – 545: issues with font, I think arising each time ‘beta’ is written.
References
Mudryk, L. R., C. Derksen, P. J. Kushner, and R. Brown, 2015: Characterization of Northern Hemisphere Snow Water Equivalent Datasets, 1981–2010. J. Climate, 28, 8037–8051, https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-15-0229.1.
Mortimer, C., Mudryk, L., Derksen, C., Luojus, K., Brown, R., Kelly, R., and Tedesco, M.: Evaluation of long-term Northern Hemisphere snow water equivalent products, The Cryosphere, 14, 1579–1594, https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-14-1579-2020, 2020.